Ποιός είπε οτι η φαγωμάρα στα ελληνικά ωρολογιακά φόρα είναι μονο τοπικό φαινόμενο?
Κατηγορίες για αντιγραφή της κάσας από LLD,για το οτι δεν είναι compressor type,για επιλογή κινέζου προμηθευτή της κάσας,πισώπλατα μαχαιρόματα για τον Pedro Izquierdo,καθυστέρηση ολοκλήρωσης του project και ματαίωση συμμετοχής από μέλη του φόρουμ.
Σας θυμίζουν μήπως τίποτα όλα αυτά?
Francis J. says:
2011/02/09 at 17:42
NOTE TO THE READER:
I launched WatchProjects.com because I was tired of the PR-approved stories of the Big brands. The purpose of this blog is to provide uncensored and constructive criticism of both mainstream and homebrew watch brands. I am not an accredited journalist, but I rely upon my university training in Art criticism to write my entries with a minimum of methodology.
Whenever I write a negative or positive criticism of a product or a brand, I try to produce the information that supports it. Should I write erroneous information, it is then my duty to rectify it and inform the reader, out of intellectual honesty.
Since February 2011, this comment thread received several imputs from user Man on Watch, an obvious detractor of the Pleamar project, which were followed by responses from supporters and detractors of the project.
I initially chose to publish Man on Watch‘s comments because after a cross-verification, more than half of their content was well-argumented and seemed to check. Further comments from users disagreeing with Man on Watch came in later, and I decided to publish them to give both parts a “right of response“.
With this comment thread growing in contributions, administrator of the Foroderelojes.se forum Mr. Rafael Sevilla eventually contacted me, asking to delete the (negative) comments about the project. That request poses several problems:
1.Asking me to apply sensorship, something this blog was specifically created in reaction against
2.Asking me to choose a side in a debate that I cannot follow accurately. Being a non-Spanish speaker and being completely outside of the Pleamar project makes it difficult for me to have a clear picture.
Watchproject is at the service of consumers first. Whenever I choose to write about a watch, I do so because it meets my own requirement and because I would like to the reader to give it a chance. When I first wrote about Pleamar, I recommended it to the reader. So if people are told to invest in a Pleamar watch, they should be provided with as much information as possible.
I offered to Mr. Sevilla a “right of response“, by which an entirely new blog entry would be dedicated to him. Mr. Sevilla turned down the offer, arguing that much ink has already flown.
From what I could grasp of the project, the developers and all participant were aware that the choice for the Pleamar case was similar to a Piquerez design extensively used in the 1960 and found amongst a dozen brands, of which Longines. By their own admission, the plan was to replicate the Piquerez case, so it makes it difficult to argue with Man on Watch‘s accusations. Furthermore, a lot of the renderings of the Pleamar are built on top of pictures of the Longines Legend Diver.
That being said, it is never made 100% clear to the customer that when they subscribe to the development of a forum watch, they actually agree to share the risk. The initial investments will likely be made with a substantial percentage of their deposit. Should the project meet difficulties, not all of the deposit can be refunded.
As of April 26th 2011, it seems that the Pleamar project is being postponed to an undetermined date.
Below are the 2 comments, one from each side of the debate, that I decided to leave:
Man on Watch says:
2011/02/09 at 17:43
Some remarks to this article and about the Pleamar project:
1 – The case of this watch is not a compressor type, but only an homage. In fact, they are yet speaking about how to make the crown system, because they can’t afford the cost of an authentic compressor type case.
2 – The ample choice of inspiration is just a Longines Legend Diver case (copied literally from the unit of a forum member, that had sent to China to be copied), and dial and hands from the IWC Aquatimer.
2 – foroderelojes.es is far from being the most popular watch forum in Spain. Relojes-especiales is three times greater than this (in users an posts). Hablemosderelojes.com has most than double traffic (in daily participation) than this, and there are other well known forums, as relojesparatodos.com with ten times more growing up rythm.
3 – Pedro Izquierdo is not a renowed watchmaker. He is known just because he has a watch forum, and he has self-denominated a watchmaker master. In fact, he is just a small watchmaker in Madrid, that not a long time ago repaired bicycles as a job.
4 – The Pleamar project is being constantly delayed because the Chinese producer of the parts are not giving the enough quality for this project. Some project members have left it, and have gone to other watch forum projects, such as El Buzo, from relojes-especiales.com. They will accumulate more than a year of delay if they become to finish the project before summer.
5 – Walter Sarubbo (the first comment person) is one of the project responsibles at foroderelojes.es, known there as waltonjones nickname.
José Á.Sánchez says:
2011/04/11 at 21:35
Hi everyone,
I´m member of spanish forums “Relojes Especiales”, “Relojistas” and “Foro de Relojes”, where I´m moderator in diver secction, my nickname is Retina.
I was participating actively in the development of Pleamar I ‘m the author of many of the graphics, and I would like to clarify some things said here, certainly the Pleamar is being made in China like Zixen, Helson and so many boutiques brands, our philosophy was do a project with an affordable price, this watch is not a copy of Legend Diver, it is true that it shares the aspect and forms, like many others vintage divers, the Legend Diver vintage case was manufactured by Piquerez, Pleamar like the Longines Legend Diver are based on cases manufactured by Erwin Piquerez in fact say that Pleamar is a copy of Longines is a malicious lie, this affair is the result of the frustration of a group of forums members who left “Foro de Relojes” they wanted to obtain economic benefits from this project, from then they have tried to boycott our forum in many ways and this is a dirty attempt to discredit us.http://www.watchprojects.com/2011/01/03/proyecto-pleamar-para-el-foro-de-relojes/
