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Submariner Reference 7924

The reference 7924 shares a similar fate to it's two older brothers - the 7922 and 7923. Short production run and unclear history. All the 7924's seem to have 1958 casebacks. As with the 7922 they are featured in thick case / big crown variations and in thin case / 6mm crown variations.

The 7924 was most likely sold with Rolex stainless steel Ref. 7206 Rivit bracelets or the optional 6636 "stretchy" variation. The watch is 20mm between the lugs and the caseback uses the standard Rolex 29.5mm case opener.
The movement is a cal. 390 Tudor movement. Originally produced by Fleurier. The movement is automatic, as nearly all Tudor Submariner movements. These movements exist in raw brass versions and in rhodium (or similar) silver like plating. There is vivid discussions in the collectors community regd. which movement platings is correct for what reference. In general almost all combinations have been seen. I have communicated with Rolex on this issue but not received an answer.
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Tudor Submariner Reference 7928
The Tudor Reference 7928 is perhaps one of the most classic Tudor sports models. It saw a long production run from approximatly 1960 (earliest caseback we have seen is an IV.59 with a 300.xxx serial) till approximatly 1968. There are several versions of the 7928. In broad overview there are two reference groups. The 7928 and the 7928/0. The /0 was added to many tudor references in the mid 60's to denote stainless steel - in a similar fashion as Rolex did with their models. Within the two main groups, a large amount of variations exist. Many of those are pictured in this section.
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Submariner Model 7016 & 7021

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It has been discussed for years why the Reference 7016 & 7021 Submariners were introduced. First seen around 1968 (verfiable) they feature a long list of changes compared to the Reference 7928. First of all there are two of them. :-) The 7016 features a non-date layout while the 7021 features a layout with a Date mechanism. If we look at the Rolex world, this co-incides with the realease of the 1680 - the Rolex Submariner with a date. So, this "explains" why the 7021 was introduced. By why add the 7016 ?

The reason is most likely movements. The 7928 featured the cal. 390 automatic movement, bought from Fleurier (FEF). During the 60's almost all Tudor models disbanded the various movement manufactureres and went pure ETA. (Exception of course being the Tudor Advisor with the proprietary alarm clock movement). The Cal 390. was first seen in early Tudor automatics (most famous the Tudor Oyster 34) from 1951-52 - so realistically the movement has seen at least 16 years of service. And the base is even older. The combination of a pure ETA movement strategy (well, untill the Chronos were introduced 2 years later) and the fact that training and mechanical service would be much easier when the date and non-date Submariners used the same base - resulted in the death of the 7928.
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Tudor Submariner Reference 9401/0 & 9411/0

The next generation of Submariners, following the 7016/7021 are the 9401/0 and 9411/0. These watches feature an option of blue or black dials. They exist in various variations.

9401/0 - Produced circa. 1975-76. Non-Date. Blue or black dial with "snowflake" markers and hands.
9411/0 - Produced circa. 1975-76. Date. Blue or black dial with "snowflake" markers and hands.
94010 - Produced circa. 1976-83. Till circa 1980 (the introduction of 5 digit serials, reverted) had the "Snowflake" design. From circa. 1980-83 - Triangle markered dials.
94110 - Produced circa. 1976-83. Till circa 1980 (the introduction of 5 digit serials, reverted) had the "Snowflake" design. From circa. 1980-83 - Triangle markered dials.

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The 94010 Snowflake is most notably known for it's use by the Franch Navy. And it is the only "verifiable" Military watch other than the Rolex Military 5513/5517's. These were of course also sold in fairly big numbers in the civilian market.

The non-date 9401/0 (and later 94010) featured a Cal. 2776 movement. ETA based - modified by Tudor. The Date versions (9411/0 and 94110) featured a cal 2784.
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Submariner Model 76100

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The 76100 is interesting indeed. It is one of the "low production" transitional watches that Tudor excelled in. The 76100 only existed with a date. Whats interesting is that it seems that it was produced along side the 94110. Optically it is identical to the later 94110 (with triangle marker matté tritium dial) - however it had different hands - including a big bubble - hours hands which is quite distinct.

Earliest 76100 serial seen is 64.000 range - which is litrally a few hundred numbers away from the last 94010. Interestingly enough the Rolex R20 manual from 1984 does not feature the 76100. This leads me to believe it was introduced in 84. To further complicate matters, the 94010 in question is a MN83 (Marine Nationale, issued in 1983) so there seems to be a gap in the serial numbers - perhaps even a production halt for a period of time ?
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In the military watch collectors community there are several variations of collectability. I have tried to categorize this in rarity levels. Where 1 is the least rare.

1. Watch purchased by service personell and used on duty - often seen or documented in books or similar resources.
2. Watch purchased by DOD or specific military branch directly at Authorized dealership - With or without markings
3. Watch purchased by DOD or specific military branch directly from Rolex / Tudor - and no markings
4. Watch purchased by DOD or specific military branch directly from Rolex / Tudor - and structured application of military markings by DOD / Branch
5. Watch purchased by DOD or specific military branch directly from Rolex / Tudor - and structured application of military markings by DOD / Branch + special hands and dials
6. Watch purchased by DOD or specific military branch directly from Rolex / Tudor - and structured application of military markings by DOD / Branch + special hands and dials / Panerai.

Type 5 watches would include the British issued milsubs with special references, engravings and specialized hands and dials. These are among the most coveted military watches - and prices soar above the 50-100.000 euro range depending on specifications. Type 6 include the ultra rare 1940's military Panerai.

So far, we have identified military use Tudors from the following countries:

- France. Type 4 watches. Sold in batches directly from Tudor. Marked by French navy. Issued thru the 1960, 70's and early 1980's.
- Canada. Type 2 watches have been rumored. Typically from specific batches from bought in free trade from AD's.
- USA. Type 3 and 4. Certain very early 1960's pieces have been identified. Still researching this. Most vietnam area pieces are Type 1's - and widely identified and discussed.
- Argentina. Researching.
- Israel. Rolex 5513 and Tudor 7928 has been seen with IDF issue numbers on the caseback. Also other brands seen. Most likely type 4.

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Tudor 7922

The earliest Submariner found in the Tudor family is the Reference 7922. The 7922 is a special watch in many respects. First of all it would seem that the Tudor Ref. 7922 Submariner and the Rolex Ref 6538 Submariner were introduced at the same time. Many Rolex experts , lists the Rolex Refrence 6538 Submariner to be running as a production watch since 1956. Interestingly enough the earliest Tudor Reference 7922 was also introduced in 1956. (in our serial # database we have a single one with a I.56 caseback). This to us would indicate a simultanious roll-out of the two models - Rolex and Tudor - side by side. Also note that the Rolex and Tudor serial # ranges of the mid 1950's are almost identical. This indicates to us that the two serial # ranges started at the same point in time, and the gap between the two ranges grow during the late 50's and into the 60's as Rolex sales soar, and Tudor sales does not.
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