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« στις: Ιούνιος 02, 2018, 12:24:50 μμ »Υπάρχει μια ορισμένη ειρωνεία στο γεγονός ότι o μονοπωλιακός τομέας παραγωγής hairsprings στην Ελβετία έχει σήμερα την ίδια προέλευση με έναν από τους λίγους ανταγωνιστές της.Μίλαμε για το Nivarox στην Nivarox-FAR (ο εν λόγω μονοπωλιακός όμιλος, που ανήκει στον όμιλο Swatch) αναφέρεται σε ιδιόκτητο κράμα καθώς και στην ίδια την εταιρεία. Το κράμα αυτό κατοχυρώθηκε με δίπλωμα ευρεσιτεχνίας από τον Reinhard Straumann, ο οποίος ίδρυσε την εταιρεία το 1934. Δημιούργησε το δικό του ερευνητικό ίδρυμα το 1954, το οποίο συνέχισε να ασχολείται με κράματα για χρήση στη βιομηχανία ρολογιών μέχρι το 1970, πριν η εταιρεία διαφοροποιηθεί σε οδοντικά εμφυτεύματα ο τομέας Straumann AG είναι πλέον παγκόσμιος ηγέτης.Απο αυτούς αγόρασε και η Lange ,βέβαια το 90+% της αγοράς ανήκει στην Nivarox
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« στις: Ιούλιος 26, 2015, 16:05:01 μμ »Seiko and Citizen are one of the largest makers of mehcanical components, including hairsprings. And i think Sea-Gull is also making their entire mechanisms themselves. So, there is still selection and all 3 have loads of experience since they are also one of the biggest watchmakers in the world without being in any kind of group (like Swatch which covers many "smaller" Swiss watchmakers).
As for the concern over "Swiss Made" if the watch is using Seiko's balance spring, does it matter? Cars are no less German even if they are using Slovenian components and i know we do produce many of them. So, one spring shouldn't affect the product origin as a whole because of that alone.
As for the concern over "Swiss Made" if the watch is using Seiko's balance spring, does it matter? Cars are no less German even if they are using Slovenian components and i know we do produce many of them. So, one spring shouldn't affect the product origin as a whole because of that alone.
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« στις: Ιούλιος 26, 2015, 15:50:33 μμ »The butterfly effect is when a minor decision leads to major consequences.
The ironical side of the story is that, after a few generations, the savior of the traditional mechanical watchmaking could become its gravedigger.
The decision to stop the deliveries of Nivarox sets could be an incentive to switch to silicon.
But the latter is double-edged! It could be the greatest revolution in watchmaking since Huygens (well, at least since the Invar), but it also could be the high-tech product that will totally depreciate the Swiss watchmaking tradition...
We are lucky to witness the greatest revolution in watchmaking since the end of the 60's, and the advent of quartz;
like all the revolutions, it could be a top, or a flop. Will silicon join the heaven of the ground-breaking technologies which died too soon? Or will it open the road to new chronometric heights?
Will it crash against the breakers of the reliability's craggy coasts? Will it rescue the Swiss Made from the Dragons' jaws or definitively spoil the already eared Helvetian watchmaking's brand image?
The ironical side of the story is that, after a few generations, the savior of the traditional mechanical watchmaking could become its gravedigger.
The decision to stop the deliveries of Nivarox sets could be an incentive to switch to silicon.
But the latter is double-edged! It could be the greatest revolution in watchmaking since Huygens (well, at least since the Invar), but it also could be the high-tech product that will totally depreciate the Swiss watchmaking tradition...
We are lucky to witness the greatest revolution in watchmaking since the end of the 60's, and the advent of quartz;
like all the revolutions, it could be a top, or a flop. Will silicon join the heaven of the ground-breaking technologies which died too soon? Or will it open the road to new chronometric heights?
Will it crash against the breakers of the reliability's craggy coasts? Will it rescue the Swiss Made from the Dragons' jaws or definitively spoil the already eared Helvetian watchmaking's brand image?
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« στις: Ιούλιος 26, 2015, 15:49:12 μμ »It is obvious that Rolex made the reduction of costs a priority. But not only that!
Rolex engineers spend their time burying innovations.
These break-through, which would have benefited certain independent brands for years, are buried by Rolex without second thought.
Rolex engineers spend their time burying innovations.
These break-through, which would have benefited certain independent brands for years, are buried by Rolex without second thought.
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« στις: Ιούλιος 26, 2015, 15:47:03 μμ »The rumor states that LVMH's legal department more or less challenged their counterpart at Swatch Group.
LVMH wanted to speed up the process of contract renewal for the deliveries of Nivarox escapement sets.
But the Swatch Group lawyers outsmarted those of LVMH: they cut the sets deliveries to Tag Heuer, without striking a blow. Considering the suddenness of the announcement, TAG did not have time to develop its own Invar sets. Therefore, there were only two options: Asia or Silicon.
To compensate for the withdrawal of Nivarox, TAG once again called upon Seiko (and this after the caliber 1887) to get out of this tricky situation.
To address the problem, TAG could have developed homemade silicon;
but they chose to rely on Seiko, on the one hand because it was obviously simple from a logistical standpoint, and on the other hand because the image of silicon may have been deemed dangerous.
Actually, the crucial question raised by TAG's choice is this: what does a "region of origin" mean?
Is it the use of traditional technologies, implying the utilization of a plain alloy and lots of handwork, but made in Asia?
Or does it mean a totally normalized production with cutting-edge industrial processes, but made in Juras?
LVMH wanted to speed up the process of contract renewal for the deliveries of Nivarox escapement sets.
But the Swatch Group lawyers outsmarted those of LVMH: they cut the sets deliveries to Tag Heuer, without striking a blow. Considering the suddenness of the announcement, TAG did not have time to develop its own Invar sets. Therefore, there were only two options: Asia or Silicon.
To compensate for the withdrawal of Nivarox, TAG once again called upon Seiko (and this after the caliber 1887) to get out of this tricky situation.
To address the problem, TAG could have developed homemade silicon;
but they chose to rely on Seiko, on the one hand because it was obviously simple from a logistical standpoint, and on the other hand because the image of silicon may have been deemed dangerous.
Actually, the crucial question raised by TAG's choice is this: what does a "region of origin" mean?
Is it the use of traditional technologies, implying the utilization of a plain alloy and lots of handwork, but made in Asia?
Or does it mean a totally normalized production with cutting-edge industrial processes, but made in Juras?
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« στις: Ιούλιος 26, 2015, 15:45:30 μμ »Buy hairsprings from other providers than Nivarox: in spite of the quality of their production, the likeable Helvetian sub-contractors cannot supply quantities large enough for the big brands such as Tag Heuer (or Breitling).
TAG, as always the first in any domain, just announced that it will buy its supplies from Japan.
The only continent that produces hairsprings in large quantities is Asia.
For example, one could think of the Chinese Sea-Gull, whose production figures are bigger than those of ETA.
Or of SeikoSha, which is also a very good alternative choice, as its Grand Seiko watches announce better chronometric performances than Rolex.
TAG, as always the first in any domain, just announced that it will buy its supplies from Japan.
The only continent that produces hairsprings in large quantities is Asia.
For example, one could think of the Chinese Sea-Gull, whose production figures are bigger than those of ETA.
Or of SeikoSha, which is also a very good alternative choice, as its Grand Seiko watches announce better chronometric performances than Rolex.
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« στις: Ιούνιος 28, 2014, 17:06:26 μμ »Στελιο,οταν μονο η ΕΤΑ και μιλαω για ελβετικες εταιριες,μπορει να σου προσφερει μια μηχανη swiss made στα 60 -100 ευρω,ειναι πολυ θετικο να δουμε citizen "swiss made"!το japan made swiss made kai made in germany για μενα ειναι εξισου καλα οτιδηποτε αλλο δεν μου αρεσει ιδιαιτερα
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« στις: Ιούνιος 28, 2014, 16:48:42 μμ »Στελιο,οταν μονο η ΕΤΑ και μιλαω για ελβετικες εταιριες,μπορει να σου προσφερει μια μηχανη swiss made στα 60 -100 ευρω,ειναι πολυ θετικο να δουμε citizen "swiss made"!
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« στις: Ιούνιος 28, 2014, 15:06:22 μμ »Το κοστος του hairispring για την Nivarox(swatch group) ειναι πολυ χαμηλο,κατι τετοιο κραταει χαμηλα και το κοστος του τελικου προϊοντος,δηλαδη της μηχανης.Ποια μπορει να ειναι η διαφορα,με καποια αλλη ανεξαρτητη μικρη ελβετικη εταιρια?Λενε οτι μπορει να ειναι και δεκαπλασια!Αν η Nivarox μπορει να φτιαξει το hairispring στα 10 ευρω,ο ανεξαρτητος μπορει να χρειαζεται 100 ευρω,κατι που επιβαρυνει κατα πολυ το τελικο κοστος της μηχανης και δεν την κανει καθολου ανταγωνιστικη.Μιλαμε παντα για μικροτερες ελβετικες εταιριες,ειναι λοιπον πολυ θετικο η εισοδος της Citizen στην ελβετικη αγορα παραγωγης hairispring
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« στις: Ιούνιος 28, 2014, 14:55:09 μμ »Μπορεί να μην έγινε πρώτο θέμα,όταν η Citizen αγόρασε την La Joux-Perret και Arnold & Son,αλλά η πρώτη έχει πελάτες εταιρίες,όπως τις
Hublot, Panerai, Graham, Baume & Mercier, Corum and TAG Heuer
κατασκευάζει την modified Valjoux 7750, to include flyback, rattrapante or tourbillon,που θα βρούμε και στα ρολόγια της Hublot
Η Citizen έχει ένα από τα μεγαλύτερα εργοστάσια παραγωγής hairspring στο Τόκιο.Κάποιοι στην Ελβετία μπορεί να αγχώνονται στο άκουσμα της είδησης,δηλαδή την είσοδο της στην ελβετική αγορά
υ.γ
Η βιομηχανία ρολογιών της Ελβετίας ήταν οι μεγαλύτεροι πελάτες των micromechanical machines made by Citizen
Hublot, Panerai, Graham, Baume & Mercier, Corum and TAG Heuer
κατασκευάζει την modified Valjoux 7750, to include flyback, rattrapante or tourbillon,που θα βρούμε και στα ρολόγια της Hublot
Η Citizen έχει ένα από τα μεγαλύτερα εργοστάσια παραγωγής hairspring στο Τόκιο.Κάποιοι στην Ελβετία μπορεί να αγχώνονται στο άκουσμα της είδησης,δηλαδή την είσοδο της στην ελβετική αγορά
υ.γ
Η βιομηχανία ρολογιών της Ελβετίας ήταν οι μεγαλύτεροι πελάτες των micromechanical machines made by Citizen
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« στις: Ιούνιος 28, 2014, 03:26:40 πμ »Οι τρεις μεγαλύτεροι κατασκευαστές hairsprings στον κόσμο,είναι η ελβετικη Nivarox(swatch),η Citizen και η Seiko. Στην περίπτωση της Citizen αν μεταφέρουν μέρος της κατασκευής του hairspring σε ελβετική θυγατρική τους, μαζί με την "ελβετική" παραγωγή των μήχανων τους(Miyota),έχει τη δυνατότητα να γίνει η πρώτη πραγματική ανταγωνίστρiα της ETA εντός έδρας.Μιλαμε για παραγωγή σε μεγάλη κλίμακα και σε λογικό κόστος,με στόχο την προμήθεια και άλλων ελβετικών εταιριών
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« στις: Ιούνιος 25, 2014, 23:37:00 μμ »Η ΕΤΑ προήλθε απο την ενοποίηση και τις εξαγορές διαφόρων κατασκευαστών και σήμερα είναι ο μέγαλυτερος κατασκευαστής μηχανων στην Ελβετία
The Swatch Group was formed in 1983 through merger of two Swiss watch manufacturers: ASUAG and SSIH. Formerly SMH Swiss Corporation for Microelectronics and Watchmaking Industries Ltd, the company took its present name in 1998(swatch group)
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The Swatch Group was formed in 1983 through merger of two Swiss watch manufacturers: ASUAG and SSIH. Formerly SMH Swiss Corporation for Microelectronics and Watchmaking Industries Ltd, the company took its present name in 1998(swatch group)
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« στις: Ιούνιος 25, 2014, 23:28:09 μμ »ωραιο θεμα! μπραβο
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« στις: Ιούνιος 25, 2014, 18:42:32 μμ »H Breitling, μια εταιρία με μεγάλα νούμερα παραγωγής και 3η στην κατάταξη της cosc, δεν έχει δικό της hairispring
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« στις: Ιούνιος 25, 2014, 16:38:23 μμ »καμια ελβετικη εταιρια δεν μπορει να χτυπησει σε κοστος την Nivarox,που εχει και τα μεγαλυτερα νουμερα παραγωγης..μονο η Citizen μπορει να το κανει και το ξερει,για το λογο αυτο εχει μπει στην ελβετικη αγορα
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« στις: Ιούνιος 25, 2014, 16:35:40 μμ »πολυ βασικο ειναι και η τιμη,μαλλον το κοστος του δικου της hairispring,για καθε εταιρια που φτιάχνει το δικό της
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« στις: Ιούνιος 25, 2014, 16:33:16 μμ »Talk of the town
Given the investment and technology required to
produce the spring, it was not wrong to assume
that A Lange & Söhne would eventually start to
supply. However, we are barely seeing the start of
this initiative as for the time being Lange only
makes balance springs for its Double Split and
continues to use Nivarox spirals. “In-house
production,” runs the official line, “can only cover a
percentage of Lange’s requirements, so the
company’s close relationship will continue in future
with Nivarox, who offers competitive prices and a
good service.”
Proudly ‘verticalised’ Jaeger-LeCoultre has not
wasted time capitalising on its Richemont Group
sibling’s burgeoning technology: “Jaeger-LeCoultre
has worked on the spring development’s
technology in partnership with Lange & Söhne but
production is still located in their factory. This
collaboration allows Jaeger-LeCoultre to be more
independent from Nivarox, even though Jaeger-
LeCoultre is still working with Nivarox for half of
the production of the balance wheels and for some
of the springs.”
Parmigiani has promised to reveal more about its
own spring saga later this year and I am sure we
will be hearing more from many others. So
although the subject of balance springs is still
shrouded in a mist of intrigue that Tolkien himself
would be hard-pushed to compete with, what is
certain is that there is plenty for the watch world
to talk about, in spite of the Swatch’s “no
comment”. Particularly as metal hairsprings may
soon be history.
Given the investment and technology required to
produce the spring, it was not wrong to assume
that A Lange & Söhne would eventually start to
supply. However, we are barely seeing the start of
this initiative as for the time being Lange only
makes balance springs for its Double Split and
continues to use Nivarox spirals. “In-house
production,” runs the official line, “can only cover a
percentage of Lange’s requirements, so the
company’s close relationship will continue in future
with Nivarox, who offers competitive prices and a
good service.”
Proudly ‘verticalised’ Jaeger-LeCoultre has not
wasted time capitalising on its Richemont Group
sibling’s burgeoning technology: “Jaeger-LeCoultre
has worked on the spring development’s
technology in partnership with Lange & Söhne but
production is still located in their factory. This
collaboration allows Jaeger-LeCoultre to be more
independent from Nivarox, even though Jaeger-
LeCoultre is still working with Nivarox for half of
the production of the balance wheels and for some
of the springs.”
Parmigiani has promised to reveal more about its
own spring saga later this year and I am sure we
will be hearing more from many others. So
although the subject of balance springs is still
shrouded in a mist of intrigue that Tolkien himself
would be hard-pushed to compete with, what is
certain is that there is plenty for the watch world
to talk about, in spite of the Swatch’s “no
comment”. Particularly as metal hairsprings may
soon be history.
